Meow Meow "Voss" Synthesis (4-MMC)

[Toddler]

I used nearly 3ml of hbr 48%, fridge temp 1°, i reached 5.5ph,

 

[William D.]

You can add a little acid. I don’t know why, but if the litmus strip is a little red, the product is more euphoric and powerful. You can check.

 

[William D.]

I can't say for sure. Maybe 4 or slightly lower. Try to take one base and divide into two parts, acidify until to 6 and 4. You will understand the difference.

 

[dodobird]

Hi
I tried 5 times using exact measurements and steps but never got the whitish precipitation mentioned after adding h2o2. Seems 76ml hbr was not Enough. Would it be better to use 125 ml hbr47 instead of the 76ml mentioned? How long does the precipitaion take as per the above method? Any guesses or advise?

 

[Toddler]

to form it takes some time and need continuous stirrer.

 

[dodobird]

Karıştırmadan, geçen süreden ve şişenin açık ya da kapalı olmasından bahsedilmiyor.

Karışım bu aşamada neredeyse renksiz mi yoksa görselimdeki gibi üstte kalın kahverengi bir halka gibi herhangi bir görsel ipucum var mı?

Metil eklenmeden önce bu aşamada hedef ph nedir.
Hbr47 miktarı, h2o2 köknar 50 ml 4mp?

Çalkaladıktan sonra çökelme için ne kadar süre çalkalanmadan bekletilmeli?

 

[Toddler]

Hatalarımdan öğrendiğim deneyimlerime dayanarak söylüyorum.

Ve kullandığım miktar.

1:0.7:0.3

4mpp 50g
hbr %48 35g
h2o2 %50 15g

Ben bunu kullanıyorum.

4mpp ve hbr %48'i 10 dakika boyunca karıştırıyorum.

Karışım sıcaklığı 22 derece, oda sıcaklığına göre.

Sonra damla damla ekliyorum. 1-2 damla sonra kırmızı renk oluşmaya başlıyor ve güzel bir beyaz renk olana kadar karıştırmaya devam ediyorum.

Sonra arkadan azar azar H2O2 ekliyorum. H2O2 ekledikten sonra karışımın sıcaklığı artıyor ancak az miktarda eklersem sıcaklık fazla artmıyor. Maksimum sıcaklık aralığı 50 derece, sıcaklığın bunun üzerine çıkmadığından emin oluyorum.
Ve bunu sadece hava geçirmez bir şişede veya balon jojede yapıyorum.
H2O2'yi eklemem 2-3 saatimi alıyor.
Sonra 14-15 saat karıştırmaya bırakıyorum.

 

[dodobird]

35ml hbr48 ve 15ml h2o2 mi demek istediniz yoksa gram olarak ağırlıkça mı eklediniz?

Hava geçirmez şişe derken, h2o2'nin tamamını ekledikten sonra kapağını kapattığınızı mı kastettiniz?

14 ila 15 saat çok uzun görünüyor... herhangi bir uzman açıklığa kavuşturmak ister mi?

 

[Toddler]

Ağırlık olarak kullandım, yani gram olarak.

Bu şekilde kullandım

 

[Toddler]

Nihai verim

20g 4mpp kullanarak
Verim 30 g 2b4m

 

[Toddler]

Bugün 300g 4mpp, 210g hbr %48, 90g h2o2 %50

 

[William D.]

You can additionally rinse with water and a soda solution. In exactly this order. This can speed up the crystallization process if it does not happen right away. And remove excess acid.

 

[Noe]

Firstly, thanks for ewpkying.
I was going by he post saying add h202 until red clud forms and all h202 was added, this might be my rookie mistake. What is target ph ag this stage once the mentioned amount of h2o2 is added. If i use 50ml 4mp , how much hbr47 and h202 would be needed?

 

[dodobird]

Firstly, thanks for ewpkying.
I was going by he post saying add h202 until red clud forms and all h202 was added, this might be my rookie mistake. What is target ph ag this stage once the mentioned amount of h2o2 is added. If i use 50ml 4mp , how much hbr47 and h202 would be needed?

 

[William D.]

You can add an excess of acid now and stir it (so that the process goes faster), but do not add more peroxide.

 

[dodobird]

The post says ad entire h2o2 and wait for layer separation and whitish sedimentation, which never occurred, perhaps hbr too less posted and I may have added a litle. Excess h2o2 ro get the upper red cloud.

After all h2o2 is added and bottle shaken, is the mix still supposed to be colorless?,

 

[Toddler]

Measure 35% hydrogen peroxide with a syringe (we will need ~29mL in total) and add it drop by drop to our mixture. In the process of addition, red bromine appears.
After adding 1-3 drops, shake the "Voss" bottle until the red color disappears. We repeat this until all the peroxide has been added and the mixture becomes discolored when shaking the bottle

Post say this.

If you add h2o2 all at one time bromine can’t be form with 4mpp well.

with hbr need h2o2 drip wise and shake until mixture become discolour.

 

[William D.]

If you add all the peroxide at once, there is a chance that the reaction mixture will boil and jump out. In addition, dibromo derivatives may form when overheated.

 

[William D.]

Rinse with water and baking soda solution, or wait longer. Either way, it will work. Crystallization sometimes takes a long time sometimes it is instant. But if it has become difficult to wait, do a wash.

 

[dodobird]

I did few drops at a time , just saying after all h2o2 was added, not all at once. Seeing te image I shared ...will it lead to precipitation you think if it was left alone 10 or more hours?

 

[dodobird]

Any pics of what it should look like after h2o2 has all been added as per the equation?

 

[dodobird]

@William D.

 

[dodobird]

I still have 750ml 4mp I want to use badly, help me and good karma will smile on u, boom shiva

 

[Toddler]

Botton layer is 2b4m
After 15 hours stirrer

 

[dodobird]

Is that after h2o2 and methylamine 40 added?

U mean bottom is 4mmc? After 15 hours?

 

[dodobird]

Please list the steps u took before this pic and after....thanks...not the Voss method I pesume

 

[dodobird]

This pic after 15 hrs stirring that you posted