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Al/Hg aracılığıyla P2NP'den amfetamin sentezi (video)

ch3wbacca

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Bir miktar %50 nitrik aside metalik cıva eklemek ve dumanları solumamak, daha sonra bunu Al'ı su veya alkol içinde amalgamlamak için kullanmak.
Her zaman işe yarar, güvenilir ve hızlıdır.
Bu şimdi (I) veya (II) nitrat ise, itiraf etmeliyim ki üzerinde hiç düşünmedim.

Ancak tüm cıva tuzları işe yarar, çözünürlük ikincildir. Cıva tek başına gerçekten işe yaramaz, ancak biraz nitrik asit veya biraz HCl ve bir tutam nitrat yola çıkmasına yardımcı olur.

Amalgamasyon, çitin cıva tarafındaki pastadır, cıvanın suçlandığı sorunlar IMHO'ya göre neredeyse her zaman, hala uygun olduğuna inanılan özel aptal folyodaki alüminyumun suçlanmasıdır.
İyi bir %99,9 Al granül alın ve amalgamasyon sorunlarınızın en küçüğü olacaktır, o zaman tüm reaksiyon büyük olasılıkla sorunsuz olacaktır.
 

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Funktioniert pulver auch solamge die reinheit ausreichend ist oder sollte man granulat nutzen?
 
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Deneyimlerime göre, alüminyum folyo amalgam için en iyi alüminyum formudur. Ana koşul, herhangi bir yabancı bileşen içermemesi, yalnızca %99,9 Al içermesidir. Toz ve granül alüminyum da uygundur, ancak reaksiyon için daha büyük miktarlarda alınmaları önerilir ve verim folyo kullanıldığında olduğu kadar iyi olmayacaktır.
 

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Kannst du mir prozentual sagen welche mengenanpassung ratsam wäre?
 

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Bunu söylemek zorunda. Size sadece ipucu verebilirim. İstediğiniz ürünü sipariş edin ve ödemeyi hemen yapın. Ardından e-postasına transfer onayı gönderin. Teslimatınızın önünde hiçbir şey durmayacaktır. İşletmenize xy diyebilirsiniz. Satıcı bir ust-id'den kaçınır.
 

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Habe das feld einfach frei gelassen bestellung wurde trotzdem entgegen genommen.
 

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bunu denemeyi merak eden tüm hobicileri uyarmak isterim, cıva bileşiklerinin kullanımı oldukça tehlikelidir ve herkes bunlarla deney yapmadan önce bazı önlemler almalıdır. yoksa kendinizi çok küçük dairenizde sürekli tüten zehirli atıklarla dolu mühürsüz şişelerle bulabilir, zaten deli olup olmadığınızı merak edebilirsiniz.

Bunun söylenmesi gerektiğini hissettim.
 

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In der eigenen wohnung halte ich schon für bedenklich geschweige denn die abfälle unverschlossen dort einzulagern. Aber davon mal abgesehen wie würdet ihr hier eigentlich empfehlen die abfälle zu entsorgen?
 

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Merhaba, cıva nitrat ve sülfürik asit yerine ne kullanabilirim?
 

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Quecksilber chlorid funktioniert auch aber du benötigst etwas mehr.
 

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Reaksiyonun çalışmasına izin vermemekten kaynaklanan reaksiyona girmemiş P2, aşırı soğutma, düşük kaliteli P2 gibi pek çok şey olabilir.
 

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Überkühlung hat auf jeden fall einen negativen einfluss auf die gesamte reaktion.
 

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Merhaba,

2 denemeden sonra nihayet beklenen sonucu aldım ancak bazı şüphelerim var, şimdiye kadar amfetamin sülfatı hep "A-Oil "den (amfetamin serbest baz) elde ettim, bu yağ P2P (BMK yağı) "temizlenerek" elde ediliyor.
Bildiğiniz gibi bu yağın kokusu ve nihai ürünün kokusu çok karakteristiktir, P2NP işleminden elde edilen serbest baz durumunda bu koku tamamen farklıdır ve amfetamin sülfatın kokusu da normal midir? Kullanılan yolla mı ilgili yoksa yanlış bir şey mi yaptım?
Serbest bazımın PH'ı 13.8 (iyiden de fazla) ve sülfat elde etme süreci iyi çalışıyor ama sanırım birçok insan bunun iyi kalitede olmadığını söyleyebilir çünkü koku diğerinden farklı.
Bu "sorunu" çözmek için bir fikriniz var mı? Amfetamin sülfatımın laboratuvar sonuçlarını en kısa sürede bildireceğim, önümüzdeki hafta laboratuvara göndereceğim.
Teşekkürler.
 

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Tamam, ipucunuz için teşekkürler, ben de süreç hakkında iyi bir ipucu bırakacağım, serbest baz ayrımı için NaOH çözeltisini ekledikten sonra tam ayrım için en az 24 saat beklemek daha iyidir.
Ben videoda gösterildiği gibi yaptım ama daha sonra çözeltiyi 1 gün daha beklettim ve daha fazla freebaz ayrıldı ve daha fazla verim elde ettim ;-) Bazı resimler yükledim.
Teşekkürler.
 

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Wie viel milliliter hast du exakt erzielt aus wie viel gramm p2np?
 

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Başka bir soru. Örneğin çok fazla Cıva nitrat kullanarak amalgamı "abartabilir" misiniz? Amalgam yapmayı denedim, ancak bir şekilde parçalandı, her şey 15 dakikanın altında çok hızlı oldu ve folyomun çoğu "çamur" haline geldi. Doğru zamanın nasıl tespit edileceği ve reaksiyonun nasıl yavaşlatılacağı konusunda herhangi bir ipucu var mı? Bu çok açık bir şeyse özür dilerim, ancak kabarcıklar vb. gibi işaretleri izliyor olsam bile yine de yanlış yapmayı başardım.
 

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Die farbe ist schon sehr ausschlaggebend würde ich sagen und dickere folie kann helfen da sie widerstandsfähiger ist.
 

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Hidrojen H2 gazı üretmek için gereklidir. Bu konuda reaksiyon hakkında bilgi edinebilirsiniz.

Yapabilirsiniz. Gıda sınıfı kullanmak daha iyidir.
 

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On one of the amalgam videos on this site it say when the amalgam is ready hydrogen evolution stops... I am having a big issue on telling when the amalgam is ready. One person said when it all floats another when it's a rich gray.... there has to be a better way to tell. I have waited until gas evolution stops and it never does.. the aluminum just gets completely consumed. I have tried thin and thick foil and aluminum grains. I have tried cleaning with hydroxide prior also. I have gotten the reaction to work a couple times out of at least 50+.... I'm stubborn. Most of the time the p2np is definitely consumed but come out with very very weak effects... actually nothing really as a very light orange solution. The time it did work it came out a dark orange solution. It's absolutely an issue with the amalgam because I have tried so many times I am very familiar with each stage. I find when it reacts very abruptly when the p2np solution is poured in i know it will be a decent reaction. When I have to shake it a lot to get it started it doesn't really work at all.
Does anyone know ow what the symptoms of using to much or to little mercury are so I can try to figure out the issue. I am using the solution of mercury that is described on this site to make mercury ii nitrate but using it as a solution and not dehydrating it as a salt. It says take like 1.5 grams of mercury and 20mls of concentrated nitric acid and wait till the mercury dissolves. Then add 5mls to 12 grams of aluminum. So I'm guessing you would use let's say 2.5ml for 6 grams of foil? There's something escaping me and I can't figure it out help please....
 

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It may not be the optimal solution, but it is possible to combine the reduction reaction with amalgamation in a single step
 

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As I already answered you in DM, you need to get grey amalgam. You don't need to wait until it will be completely dissolved. In the video, it's clearly shown how it should look like. Simple Al foil from a hardware or grocery store.
 

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I had a failed first attempt and kinda fucked up big time by inhaling toxic fumes from the violent reaction.

As I poured the P2NP solution into the flask, the funnel on the flask couldn't hold itself and started bouncing (simply because of vapor pressure from the reaction). It happened so quickly that I couldn't find any time to process what's happening and to put a condenser. As a result, I inhaled some toxic fumes from the reaction and I'm not exactly sure how toxic they were but it smelled so bad. Some solution got spilled as a result and the reactants got evaporated in the early stage.

The yield from my 10g setup was like 300mg of white salt(turned out it was some basic byproduct or unreacted amphemine freebase). It tasted like a soap and had a burning sensation so I threw it away. 5-6% yield was a red sign anyway.

Some mistakes that I made that newbies can avoid:
1. Don't use a small funnel on flask: When pouring the P2NP solution in the amalgam, make sure your funnel's stem is big enough (especially w/ a >=10g setup). Smaller stem/funnel size in general can be a bottleneck and cause spillage or other adverse outcomes (you have to be very quick here to add a condenser and shake the flask).

2. Make sure you don't evaporate the solvents in the P2NP+IPA+GAA solution while heating it. Sometimes P2NP crystals may not dissolve so gentle heating may help(40-50'C) but if you heat it more then solvents like IPA would begin to evaporate and you'd lose solvents.

3. Ensure that your water is distilled and has close to zero TDS. I bought some "destilled water" bottles but they turned out to be just purified water with a 25-30 TDS. It's not a significant issue but contaminated water should be avoided in the amalgam phase to avoid unnecessary reactions with water impurities.

4. Properly acidify the amphetamine freebase before proceeding for drying. My pH papers were shit so I couldn't measure properly but you shouldn't stop before a pH of 6. Keep adding more acid solution until you reach it. Mistakes at this stage can result in a basic soapy product, not amphetamine sulfate.

5. Extract your amphetamine freebase with a non-polar solvent. The video doesn't include this part but it's an important step to not miss if you want a successful and pure yield. Something like Toluene could work. I haven't tried this it before but next time I'm going to do this.

6. If it's your first time, be very careful with the exothermic reaction when adding P2NP solution to the amalgam. In reality it can be far more violent than what's shown in the video so be prepared for that. Proper PPE and preparation can help like keeping cold water and condenser handy.



I have a few questions here for the experienced chemists:
1. How to deal with solvents volume loss? Even after a condenser and ice-baths, sometimes it can evaporate more. At what stage are we safe to add some IPA to the mixture? The video descriptions says you can add some IPA after the reaction is complete(to rinse the flask). Is that correct and if yes, how much are we talking at this scale? 15-20ml?

2. Can we add the P2NP solution slowly and in batches instead of at once? I can see this can result in more solvent evaporation but I really want to avoid overheating and violent reaction.
 

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You had to use simple PPE like face mask. It's sad to read. I wrote a topic about PPE. It's cheap and may save you from poisoning.
This overheating means that you spoiled your P2NP. That is the reason of low yield.
Just add more at the beginning of the reaction. Yes, 20-30 ml more would be enough.
Yes, you can split P2NP solution in several portions.
 

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for me its been between 10-15minutes for amalgam to be ready, not sure how long fellow members do it for
 

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what could be the reason that I can't get ph 12 I have broken down NaOh 50g into 75ml of water 100g into 120ml of water and I can't get ph 12
 

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after the reaction of Al with P2np I added NaOH and 2 layers separated but I did not reach pH 12, can I add NaOH solution again to reach pH 12?
 
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