Type of Meth

[kafka82]

How many types of meth (not by name nut actual chemical synthesis ) are usually out there available ? I am aware apparently the most pure is the one made directly from ephedrine - then I know about dextro Meth but not sure what's the difference? Which type generally is supposed more to give euphoria and less "agitation" ? Most often I came across meth that makes you just jittery without the good euphoria high.... what shall I look for on vendors ?

As a side note - are there some "washed out " less strong meth which can be used more "socially" - what would I look for this type if I was interested to explore?

I am aware is tricky to find vendors that sell that they claim ..but at least so I know what to look for...

 

[Alchemistfromthahood]

don’t want to kill your dreams but I know that you can’t differentiate between racemat and dextro
some people are telling that you find a difference between both crystals if you are looking carefully but i dont know how you can check with conventional methods in your homeplace
if i wantvto have dextro then i would search for dextro

 

[dnBQByvHb8Zkawbjpx]

In general there's two types.

The pure dextro meth, also known as d-meth or sometimes referred to as the bikers crank or the original Czech meth aka piko. It's usually made in small batches from (pseudo)ephedrine and consists of 100 % d-meth.

Then there's the racemic 50:50 mixture of d- and l- meth, typically sold in the crystal form. It's made in larger batches from P2P and similar precursors.

If you're looking for something with shorter action then look into other substances such as amphetamine, MDMA, 4-MMC and similar.

 

[kafka82]

Thanks - are you hinting that d-meth would be mostly available as powder rather than crystals ? So what's about meth that is made from ephedrine and not pseudo - is it still d-meth?


I never tried 4-MMC yet actually - how would compare to meth?

 

[dnBQByvHb8Zkawbjpx]

My first-hand experience is limited, but in general yes, d-meth takes the form of a powder or tiny needles. Meth made from d-ephedrine or d-pseudoephedrine is 100 % d-meth. The characteristic of the starting ingredient (d- enantiomer) directly translates into the product and that's why this method is so popular among individual cooks.

4-MMC is shorter in action (roughly 1-4 hours depending on RoA) and I'd say the stimulation is mellower compared to d-meth with some psychoactive properties similar to MDMa but not as strong.

 

[kafka82]

is 4-MMC basically mephedrone or something different ? I tried to snort some and just gives me headaches usually no euphoria but that could be just me

 

[dnBQByvHb8Zkawbjpx]

4-MMC is mephedrone.

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Hey I ain't saying anything but it starts confusingn everybody when we start tossing around conventions of chirality. For instance d meth is L-meth and S meth. lmeth is D meth and R meth. They are 3 different naming conventions

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

D and L are R and S these days, to everyone but Kitchen chemists, But dnB pretty much told you right. There's no reason D meth can't be a crystal and in fact it is and it's monoclinic and you can measren the crystals to confirm D meth, and L meth makes a crystal that is triclinic I believe, but it ...so,,...ok, monoclinic means that it has no 2 sides the same length or any 90 degree angles. Triclinic does have equal sides and 90 degree angles. when you have a mixture near 50/50 it justa hot jumble of interlaced crystals but they aren't homogynous. You can also measure the chiralityt, which is how much the molecules bend a beam of light a 50/50 mixture doesnt bend light. Its not "optically active" because there are equal amounts of molecules trying to bend it each direction, but 70% D meth would bend it to the right by an amount you can measure with a protractor

 

[kafka82]

fascinating - would laser pointer be useful to assess the light bending ?

 

[dnBQByvHb8Zkawbjpx]

Not sure about a laser, probably not (not alone, anyway). You can use a polarized filter that you may have on your DSLR or in your sunglasses. There's videos on youtube on this topic.