Shake and Bake Meth step-by-step
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Is the yield on this accurate? Im about to try it out, I only need the AN and I can give it a go. any insight on getting ahold of it? all the cold packs I find are calcium AN, can the calcium be removed without destroying it? as an aside, I am so stick of the bullshit going around in the streets, its infuriating tbh, I can only get what I can only assume is 1g of D-meth cut with like half to an oz of L-meth, its awful. I refuse to give any of these shitheads money for it so I will do the shit my damn self, I am stuck with shake and bakes until I can collect my own lab gear solvents and reagents as slowly and low key as I can, Hopefully in a month or 2 Ill be able to begin synth of precursors and learn some cool chemistry skills as I go. I am fairly confident I can achieve most of the reactions I have been studying here.
If you are having trouble finding ammonium nitrate I can probably help you find a substitute or way around one way or another. Ammonium Sulfate is a much better salt to use in theory, you should be able to use half as much as AN. I haven't tried it yet, however.
Learning to do a shake and bake as your first experiment may not be the best and safest option for everyone, but it seemed to be the easiest to figure out and complete with success and good results, speaking for myself ;]
I like to try to help if I can because there is ALOT of bad information out there and pieces of shit pretending they know it and trying to teach others. So, be careful, and be safe. Send me a message if you need to.
Good luck.
Learning to do a shake and bake as your first experiment may not be the best and safest option for everyone, but it seemed to be the easiest to figure out and complete with success and good results, speaking for myself ;]
I like to try to help if I can because there is ALOT of bad information out there and pieces of shit pretending they know it and trying to teach others. So, be careful, and be safe. Send me a message if you need to.
Good luck.
- By A1N4O8N8
any assistance is greatly appreciated I actually have the rest of this evening to try to attempt a synth here. I have 4 grams of pseudo, all the reagents in this list except the AN. I'm about to swing by a couple local stores and check their cold packs and a couple local garden stores to see if I can find the AS you mention.
If it isn't likely to work, it's bad right? Just checking. I noticed that you NaOH to nh4no2 ratio was backwards, you neeed twice as much ammonium nitrate to the amount of NaOH, by weight of course, which I highly suggest using weight. Also the amount of lithium is enough to over reduce your precursor, 2x amount, ok, 3x amount=over-reduction
I was off put by your prerequisite whining, whilst I assue looking for help. Yeah, there are a few problems in there. At least one is a terminal flaw (the lithium).
I would tell you more about it, but I don't want to come off as"whining about your methods", so, in light of that, I suggest you use the fucking search function to do some research, be less ambiguous on the rewrite and correct your math. I didn't look at the whole thing, but maybe I will next round.
I was off put by your prerequisite whining, whilst I assue looking for help. Yeah, there are a few problems in there. At least one is a terminal flaw (the lithium).
I would tell you more about it, but I don't want to come off as"whining about your methods", so, in light of that, I suggest you use the fucking search function to do some research, be less ambiguous on the rewrite and correct your math. I didn't look at the whole thing, but maybe I will next round.
- By A1N4O8N8
glad you jumped in here I am hunting down some last reagents I almost tried this one tonight, do you have a recommended version with similar reagents? I am struggling to find the AN I'm about to hit some garden centers and hardware stores @soladado said ammonium sulfate could work too. I am now leaning towards following this PDF
http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhn...2qgyd.onion/attachments/9appxhvzkr-pdf.29630/ it was posted on another thread you replied to and I believe you said it was a good one.
http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhn...2qgyd.onion/attachments/9appxhvzkr-pdf.29630/ it was posted on another thread you replied to and I believe you said it was a good one.
If you look up shake and bake in the search box. You should eventually come across the names Douda and 41DxFlatLine - they each posted a SnB tek that after reading a few times, going over everything else again, and going back to theirs and re reading trying it and repeating the whole process. I say it over and over, I was a total new bee with no chem experience and I found BB and within two months I did this on my second attempt. I'm not so special, but just to drive it home - If I can pull it off, anybody can.
I posted my experiment "SnB success story" or something... and I've commented on a dozen others since. I haven't seen anyone else pull it off, just some pretenders. I have tried it a dozen more times since and have failed half the time, so it goes to show that I was more lucky than anything with my first success. I have been able to figure out the hows and whys and why this particular reaction is so tempermental. I just haven't had the pseudo to be able to demonstrate it and write a 'knock-out' "once and for all" tek for everyone.
You can always try it like the guy on Hamiltons "how not to cook meth"
That is going to be the way to do it when they stop all the ammonium salts.
Send me a message and I can try to coach you if you'd like.
Good luck
I posted my experiment "SnB success story" or something... and I've commented on a dozen others since. I haven't seen anyone else pull it off, just some pretenders. I have tried it a dozen more times since and have failed half the time, so it goes to show that I was more lucky than anything with my first success. I have been able to figure out the hows and whys and why this particular reaction is so tempermental. I just haven't had the pseudo to be able to demonstrate it and write a 'knock-out' "once and for all" tek for everyone.
You can always try it like the guy on Hamiltons "how not to cook meth"
That is going to be the way to do it when they stop all the ammonium salts.
Send me a message and I can try to coach you if you'd like.
Good luck
- By A1N4O8N8
excellent I will look those up and adjust my reagent list if needed, still on the hunt for AN, I really dont want to order it online, I just don't want to bring any attention my way. I think I may have 2 options, there is one garden center I will hit up tomorrow, see if they have AN, if not Ill see if I can find
I will shoot you a message when I get close to go time and see if you are around and ill update you with my progress, if I need to make my AN maybe ill make a post on this process and show my results
- Diammonium phosphate, (NH4)2HPO4
- Calcium nitrate, Ca(NO3)2
I will shoot you a message when I get close to go time and see if you are around and ill update you with my progress, if I need to make my AN maybe ill make a post on this process and show my results
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- By A1N4O8N8
best I could find was 20.5-0-0 I was rushing around before the store closed I didnt have much time, but the msds says ammonium sulfate sulfate >97% and and 1% ammonium hydrosulfate...is that going to fuck me?
edit: nvm I dont think that is sds correct, I think its just another name for the same shit. 20-0-0 20.5-0-0 and 21-0-0 all seem to be the same thing at least with the brand I got. yeah the 20/20.5/21 are the ammonical nitrogen amounts derived from ammonium sulfate. fuck yeah boys 25$ for fucking 40lbs lmfao I can shake and bake every week until 2030
edit: nvm I dont think that is sds correct, I think its just another name for the same shit. 20-0-0 20.5-0-0 and 21-0-0 all seem to be the same thing at least with the brand I got. yeah the 20/20.5/21 are the ammonical nitrogen amounts derived from ammonium sulfate. fuck yeah boys 25$ for fucking 40lbs lmfao I can shake and bake every week until 2030
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Okay maybe somebody can help me out here; this reduction synthesis has always made me nervous simply for the lack of realistic and reliable safety controls but also because it just doesn't make sense to me. (I'm a fairly cautious guy and have been slowly working my way towards understanding the mechanisms of several methamphetamine synthesis for a year and still am not ready to consider trying my hand at any of them, but there are a few that I am starting to like on paper and feel confident that I understand how and why they work)
Why does every write up substitute a different ammonia salt; wouldn't each salt liberate a potentially consequential chemical along with the desired ammonia gas? Surely these substitutes could interfere with the yield % at the very least if not fuck up the entire reaction and or be dangerous. In what way is this a Birch of the lithium doesn't even dissolve and produce those pretty blue flashes as the electrons are donated? Instead we're left with solid "lithium bronze" that persists as a solid waste after extraction? What even is lithium bronze I can't figure out if that is even a real chemical or how this reaction would produce it?
Finally I have a difficult time believing that all of these individual reactions are occuring simultaneously in situ BUT in the exact correct order to yield ANY methamphetamine:
1. Ammonia gas liberated into solvent via sodium hydroxide.
2. Enough sodium hydroxide remains to freebase the pilly gak/PSE HCL that everyone insists is not required to be extracted
3. Lithium donates solvated electrons to SURGICALLY targets the hydroxyl group of PSE for removal within the pill powder (Isn't the gak mostly made up of chemicals that are heavy in oxygen? Why wouldn't the lithium/electrons be eaten up by the gak leaving most of the PSE unchanged)
4. Protonation of the intermediate via our solvent, yielding freebase methamphetamine
I really don't understand chemistry that well so pardon if I sound ignorant but if this synthesis yield any methamphetamine it seems absolutely genius.
Lastly, could one not perform the reaction in glassware step by step and using ether as our solvant which would dissolve the ammonia gas and eliminate the need for pressure? Ideally with clean PSE? Tbh I admire Birch for its elegance but with safer routes available and liquid ammonia theft not possible anymore I think I'm not very interested in attempting it at all
Why does every write up substitute a different ammonia salt; wouldn't each salt liberate a potentially consequential chemical along with the desired ammonia gas? Surely these substitutes could interfere with the yield % at the very least if not fuck up the entire reaction and or be dangerous. In what way is this a Birch of the lithium doesn't even dissolve and produce those pretty blue flashes as the electrons are donated? Instead we're left with solid "lithium bronze" that persists as a solid waste after extraction? What even is lithium bronze I can't figure out if that is even a real chemical or how this reaction would produce it?
Finally I have a difficult time believing that all of these individual reactions are occuring simultaneously in situ BUT in the exact correct order to yield ANY methamphetamine:
1. Ammonia gas liberated into solvent via sodium hydroxide.
2. Enough sodium hydroxide remains to freebase the pilly gak/PSE HCL that everyone insists is not required to be extracted
3. Lithium donates solvated electrons to SURGICALLY targets the hydroxyl group of PSE for removal within the pill powder (Isn't the gak mostly made up of chemicals that are heavy in oxygen? Why wouldn't the lithium/electrons be eaten up by the gak leaving most of the PSE unchanged)
4. Protonation of the intermediate via our solvent, yielding freebase methamphetamine
I really don't understand chemistry that well so pardon if I sound ignorant but if this synthesis yield any methamphetamine it seems absolutely genius.
Lastly, could one not perform the reaction in glassware step by step and using ether as our solvant which would dissolve the ammonia gas and eliminate the need for pressure? Ideally with clean PSE? Tbh I admire Birch for its elegance but with safer routes available and liquid ammonia theft not possible anymore I think I'm not very interested in attempting it at all
Why do you say ammonia theft is no longer possible?
- By BirchGoblin
There have been a plethora of derrants put into place since the 90s to have made it unviable or even impossible. Really the only reason I can think of that clandestine chemists would ever have chosen Birch over Nagai was the abundance and ease that the chemical could be found on farmland in the Midwest/Agricultural stores. Birch is so much more dangerous and no more easy to aquire reagants. It was pumped into the ground to release nitrogen as fertilizer; and you really can see on historic data that West of the Rock Mountains almost all meth labs busted were running hydroiodic acid reductions, and Birch was localized to the Plains/Midwest.
Locking mechanisms to secure the anhydrous ammonia tanks were quickly patented and released, Missouri Illinois and Iowa passed legislation to make ammonia theft a high end felony with some EGRIGIOUS prison sentences behind it, and I believe an adulterant was added to prevent the solvated electrons from forming(at least one formula was patented to do this) and eventually liquid ammonia was phased out of agricultural use entirely. I've seen media reports of farmers armed with buckshot in their shotgun and a couple deputies patrolling fields at night even lol
In 2025 there's just no ammonia to steal, farmers use something else. Folks with the chemistry chops to improvised and who were particularly attached to Birch began synthesizing liquid ammonia and storing it; the rest likely went Nagai until I 2005 when PSE was Federally restricted
Locking mechanisms to secure the anhydrous ammonia tanks were quickly patented and released, Missouri Illinois and Iowa passed legislation to make ammonia theft a high end felony with some EGRIGIOUS prison sentences behind it, and I believe an adulterant was added to prevent the solvated electrons from forming(at least one formula was patented to do this) and eventually liquid ammonia was phased out of agricultural use entirely. I've seen media reports of farmers armed with buckshot in their shotgun and a couple deputies patrolling fields at night even lol
In 2025 there's just no ammonia to steal, farmers use something else. Folks with the chemistry chops to improvised and who were particularly attached to Birch began synthesizing liquid ammonia and storing it; the rest likely went Nagai until I 2005 when PSE was Federally restricted
Noted. However I doubt that any adulerants are currently employed, given that there is NO market for it due to the PSE restrictions and therefore no one needing or using it to produce mph. The cartel has that locked down.
