Ein-Topf-Amphetamin-Synthese aus P2NP mit NaBH4/CuCl2 (1 kg Maßstab)

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Heizplatte, Heizmantel (könnte selbst auf niedriger Stufe zu viel sein), auf keinen Fall offene Flamme.
 

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100% sicher in Gramm nächste Charge werde ich Bilder machen. Ich habe 254gr von Freebase aus 287gr von P2NP.
 

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Ich habe bei meiner 67-g-P2NP-Charge keine großen Salzausfällungen erhalten, als ich Phosphorsäure hinzugefügt habe.
Wird sich dies während des Einfrierens ändern? Ich dachte, ich hätte die Anweisungen ziemlich gut befolgt.
nachdem die p2np-zugabe abgeschlossen ist, gehen sie direkt zu cucl? oder sollte ich warten, bis es aufhört zu reagieren?
Ich habe es nach der Zugabe der Lauge aufgeschüttelt und etwa eine Stunde stehen lassen, und bei der Extraktion mit Ipa habe ich es sich trennen lassen und dann wieder 3/4-mal gemischt.
Ich habe das Ipa bei 50-60°C vakuumdestilliert, war das zu heiß?
vielleicht habe ich es zu schnell angesäuert, da mein Sep-Trichter noch die wässrige Schicht hatte (ich mache 2 Ipa-Extraktionen, nur für den Fall), also habe ich eine Spritze benutzt und es war nicht genau tropfenweise.
irgendwelche ideen? ich werde ein update machen, nachdem es über Nacht im gefrierschrank war
 

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Habe es auch versaut beim ersten mal gucke grad nach lösungen und schließe mögliche fehler aus. Hat sich bei dir auch nur ein kleiner teil umgewandelt und es ist größtenteils flüssig geblieben?
 

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Was your freebase purified? This reaction produces quite alot by-products so it's absolutely required to steam distill the freebase. Put 1ml freebase oil on petri dish and let evaporate. If the residue is not white it's not pure. If it's not pure and you turn it to salt, your power doesn't dissolve in water easily and yoy'll get sick if you take it.
So this was the boiling temp in the flask or bath temp? Not sure if too hot when I did it the BP was ~38 C while the water bath was kept < 60 C. (The BP only depends on pressure so higher bath temp. only makes it boil more violenly at same temp.) Do normal distillation of your vacuum distillate and see if anything solid remains in boil flask.
Might be dissolved in the water in it.
 

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Good to know the destillation is essential for this process thanks. I kept the oil and will try to purify it with destillation and see what comes out.
 

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Ich habe von Patton hier gehört, dass man es vorher erhitzen sollte, was ich bei Schwefelsäure noch nie gemacht habe, aber meine Säure ist ziemlich rein.
Bestellt in Polen, wenn ihr in der EU seid, die verkaufen euch Fässer mit buchstäblich allem lol
 

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Darfst du mir hier verraten woher du die schwefelsäure beziehst oder muss ich dir privat schreiben? Habe grad probleme welche zu beschaffen nur phosphorsäure iaz für mich aktuell laufend zugänglich.
 

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Hi. Can someone tell me what the cost of ingredients and equipment for producing 1kg is? I would be grateful if someone could tell me if it is enough to scaling up everything to get a larger amout or does that cause any discrepancies? Also can someone tell me what is the CAS of this final product?
 
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It would be really REALLY great if someone could run a TLC analysis of the products from this reaction. I've read that NaBH4/Cu reduction mainly produces N-hydroxylamines instead of amines for alpha-alkyl nitrostyrenes. Because of similar melting points for their salts and similar boiling points, the only way to separate and identify N-OH-amphetamine is by chromatography. The N-OH product is also active as a stimulant but it is different to amphetamine. I wonder if this is really true.
 

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what source reports this information?
all compounds tested with qualitative and quantitative analysis
N-OH group can be formed as an intermediate compound if the experiment is not carried out correctly
 

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Yes, I should have probably researched this a little more before posting here, apologies. The source for this comes from amateur chemists and there aren't any official publications to support this
 

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Is so much NaBH4 really necessary or is it excessive
 

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So. You get this pure amphetamine. How much would you cut it ? 1kg amph turn to 2kg ? Because amph cheap profit should come from cutting it or I am wrong?
 

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Our team is study science methods for obtain only pure individual substances. We do not support and do not give recommendations for dilution this compounds to increase mass, yields
 
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