Question How profitable is the synthesis of amphetamine (speed) in the European market starting with the precursor P2NP?

[antrax]

I have made the calculations of the chemicals according to the chemical synthesis of amphetamine documented in the following video tutorial;

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/one-pot-amphetamine-synthesis-from-p2np-with-nabh4-cucl2-1kg-scale.70/

If only to obtain 1kg of speed, 2016.19 g of precursor (P2NP) are required and only 2kg of the precursor cost 570 EURO, 3474.8 g of sodium borihydride are also required, only with those two chemicals it is more than 1,000 EURO

 

[Newbee]

Mass-Suppliers mostly and often cut one kilo with 2-3kilo of caffeine or other stuff, then its profitable.

 

[KokosDreams]

It is profitable before.

With top notch purchasing prices amphetamine sulphate can be produced for 300EUR per kilo, when purchasing in Europe (NO chinese suppliers) and sold for 1.800 on bulk.

600% sounds profitable to me. No cutting or bullshit needed

 

[Newbee]

understood but also, money talks.
Thanks for your reply chief.

 

[KokosDreams]

Money talks! For smaller chemists it can come in handy to unite for larger orders to receive good bulk conditions

Escrow and forums like Breaking Bad can make this possible!

 

[Newbee]

I Mean that most of products that came from for example netherlands are mostly made by a lot of chemists allover there is a lot of diluted or failed stuff.I don't remember when i was able to get uncutted stuff in netherlands Amsterdam, they even dilute a-oil (freebase) with alcohol and sell per l.

 

[KokosDreams]

Yeah the current market situation in europe is very unfortunate! It is horrible

 

[Newbee]

Thats it, but hipefully cocaine situation is quite good (price = quality ratio) but drugs like mdma and amph are quite trashy.

 

[KokosDreams]

It is sad that most amphetamine that's sold in the NL is sold as wet paste that is heavily cut with caffeine. It is not the original product like Amphetamine Sulphate sadly.

 

[Newbee]

exactly thats it.

 

[KokosDreams]

Yeah, people should stop selling paste at all.

If vendors on the darknet would stop to supply paste and only focus on sulphate, dextro and so on the quality would very quickly became insanely good.

 

[JohnWebb]

From G.Patton's Twitter

#Amphetamine is one of the most popular synthetic drug and is quite easy to make at home in a kitchen or garage. Let's calculate how much one kg of this substance will cost in terms of reagent costs, provided that amphetamine is obtained by Al/Hg #P2NP reduction.

The reagent costs were taken from #BB_Listings (#BB_Forum).
1 kg 1-Phenyl-2-nitropropene (#P2NP); - 250€
10 kg Isopropyl alcohol (IPA); - 90 Euro (5 l - 45 €)
5 kg Glacial acetic acid (AcOH); - 75 Euro (1L - 15 €)
1.2 kg Aluminum (pre-cut Al foil sheets); - 18 €
10 g Mercury (II) nitrate (Hg(NO3)2); - 65 €
5 kg Sodium hydroxide (NaOH); - 45 € ( Price: from 1 Kg/€9.00)
5 kg Acetone; - 16 € (from Leroy Merlin hardware store)
200 g Sulfuric acid (H2SO4); - 18 € (1000 mL - 89 €)

After reagents costing, we get the 580 € per 1 kg #amphetamine cost.
We can get approximately ~700 g of amphetamine sulphate from 1 kg #P2NP. Thus, the amphetamine sulphate 1 kg cost is about ~800 €.

These calculations didn't take into account such consumables as syringes, pH paper, filter paper, glassware detergents, gloves and etc.

The necessary reagents list is calculated for only 1 kg #P2NP.

In case of a tenfold increase in the purchased reagents amount, the synthesis cost can be reduced by 50%.

Laboratories, that buy metric tons of synthesis reagents and use industrial equipment, reduce the #amphetamine sulphate cost to about 150 € per 1 kg.

Source @G.Patton

 

[antrax]

Sodium borohydride?

 

[JohnWebb]

These are reagants for synthesis via Al/Hg.
Sodium borohydride is used in p2np/NaBH4/CuCl2 route and the total price will vary

 

[KokosDreams]

Good analysis on the prices

I would agree with the prices for bulk, 300-150EUR is a very good price range to aim for and I am sure this would even be possible when sourcing products in europe, without chinese suppliers.

 

[KokosDreams]

As for the NaBH4/CuCL2 route I can safely say that with this route it will be possible to achieve prices of 300EUR per kilo of Amphetamine for anyone that can purchase precursors worth around 10.000 - 15.000EUR, this is the price range where it will start to get fun

 

[Heineken]

the same about 4mmc 1kg if u made and u buy a lot chemicals cost 1kg is 300€

 

[KokosDreams]

You could do so much more business if you would ship outside of PL

 

[Heineken]

in poland is a lot customers dont need send to other country. send to other country is much more problems later.....

 

[KokosDreams]

I understand that