CBD Isolate to THC with muriatic acid (simple route)

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Here is a quick update on the status on the bigger cook, I still need to wash the resulting oil. Anyway:
38g of CBD isolate was dissolved into 700ml of %95 ethanol, Everclear brand grain alcohol.
%37 HCl solution was added until ~2 pH was reached on the color chart while the solution was slowly heated to ~70c in an oil bath.
Temperature of oil and reaction liquid were monitored with a thermometer. A piece of plastic was placed over the top of the jar to reduce ethanol evaporation.
The mixture was swirled back and forth periodically for a moment throughout the entire reaction of about 5 hours.
The mixture darkens quite a bit after a few hours, and even more so still to about 5 hours at 70c.
After 5 hours, the color of the reaction liquid has darkened significantly, the reaction was left to cool to room temperature and brine was added about 2 parts brine to 1 part reaction mixture and mixed.
After a moment of mixing the brine into the reaction liquid, the oil pushed out and accumulated at the top of the reaction liquid. It was collected with a syringe for further processing.
~55ml crude THC oil was collected. I will continue to update this experiment. I must still wash the collected crude THC oil, heat to 150c and deacidify/wash again.

 

[CCL4 huffer]

my guess is u heated it way too mutch(dont go over 100c) also using anh reagents is key to decent yields. also use AlCl3 as a catalyst.

 

[mycelium]

I don't know, isn't argon a really light gas? I know when you heat propane and butane, heat equals pressure, and using 160f water in the jacket made extreme pressure. (Needed to make super fast distillation possible...) A 30l collection pot half full of c4h10, got to 60psi in 5-7 min. And I had 125psi PSV on there

 

[CCL4 huffer]

argon is 1,4 times heavier than air

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

I guess you didn't read the part of the instructions where it says to heat up to 150c to eliminate any extra waste and convert CDC to THC. Unfortunately, I would have to default to Mr. Will D, as he probably knows his tek best, also. This point of this was to use these ingredients, because I had them. It is OK.. it is not going to be the same as organic no matter what you do, I was hoping for more of a stoned experience, myself but.. oh well.

 

[CCL4 huffer]

90% of the instructions are just coppied and with some addet photos. try my method then we can talk(though the catalyst choice is highly variable) .

 

[mycelium]

What is the difference between 5 and 6 with regards to the pTSA?
And what are the ratios?
Does this come from Raphael machoulams work?

 

[CCL4 huffer]

reaktion time. comes from Paola Marzullo J. Nat. Prod. 2020, 83, 2894−2901

 

[CCL4 huffer]

here are the ratios but using anh ptsa gives better yields in my expirience

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

@CCL4 huffer Most of what you're going for I am not able or prepared to attempt ...yet. I went with this one particularly because of the accessibility of the required items and ease of the procedure. I don't mean to get into pissing contests, I wish I could try your methods and optimize this for everyone's benefit. Perhaps we can work it out some time...

I just wanted to note that, after the sample of meth I received, I was rather occupied and don't usually smoke weed. After about a week maybe closer to two of tweaking out every day and not smoking weed, my THC tolerance plummeted. When I smoked a dab in my oil burner I got pretty high. So I don't know what exactly is going on with the pharmacology of this stuff and me. When I smoke it consistently, it takes the edge off but I don't get 'high or stoned' like normal weed. When I go to smoke weed it doesn't have much effect either after using my isomerized 'THC'. So this stuff definitely occupies the receptor but there isn't much activity from it I guess. I'm not a PhD, but this is what seems to be happening. The alkaloid is present but not active for whatever reason. ? (heat, acid, etc.)

I've got a 4 panel test with THC on it, I've been meaning to dissolve a dab in some vodka and water it down a bit and then test it.
I'll post a pic shortly.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

So, here we are dissolving a dab in some vodka. I heat it up a bit for a moment to dissolve the dab and cook off any excess ethanol. I watered it down a bit and poured it off to reduce so the "Urine wouldn't touch the plastic" and only the testing strips were submerged.
If you can see we have COC MET OPI and THC. We are positive for meth and THC.
I can definitely say it does something as far as psychoactivity. I can't explain the meth positive other than maybe my scissors were contaminated and unfortunately it screws up the whole thing. I hadn't considered using a 'clean' instrument to dissolve my dab in a room full of drug paraphernalia. So if you try to do something simillar, keep that in mind when choosing items, but take this for what it is worth.

 

[Newbee]

How long can I store ready made product?

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

I would say you could get a year atleast (maybe more?) before any significant degradation... if you take the right precautionary measures. Make sure the product pH is straight and it has been cleaned well. Other than that... just the usual long term storage stuff, keep in air tight container, vacuum seal if you can. Refrigerate or freeze. Keep in the dark. Put away a bigger batch so you don't have to touch it - handling and exposing to air will begin to degrade. Have a smaller container you can take from if necessary.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

If you were going to make a solution to put into cartridges for vaping. Say you made a good product that is active.You would then add a portion of say you wanted to use some kind of strawberry flavored vape solution - you would mix this in with your isomerized CBD->THC. Is it possible then to get more CBD isolate to dissolve into it to give it say more of a natural effect. My experience in using the isomerized CBD is that it is definitely not like plant material, so I was wondering if there was a way to maybe supplement it to give it more of the indica vibe some may be interested in.

 

[mycelium]

Maybe use myrcine or beta-carophyline in the terps mixture but this is debatable.
Short path vac distillation should increase potency by separation of fractions

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

I want to try to take another crack at this soon. I know there is something here, if it can be fine tuned to satisfaction, it would save my THC addicted ass a chunk of change. The problem I had with it is that it wasn't very active and it ended up quite harsh at times as the final product wasn't cleaned and set to the proper pH at the end.
I hope to make another attempt and see how it goes, possibly give out samples and get some other opinions and feedback about the final product. I'm gonna get some sieves to get the everclear up to %99+ ethanol. I don't know if zeolite sieves might enhance the already HCl-ized ethanol solution for the CBD-isolate conversion into delta-9. Or if that is even what is important or what I should be concerned with.

I was wondering at the end, after it is all cleaned and returned to a neutral (or somewhat acidic pH?) 6-7 ? We can dilute our THC into a flavored vaping solution - maybe it's strawberry flavored with a little nicotine for example, right? So, I was already kind of worried about the potency and psychoactivity of this vaping blend. Getting it to the right consistency so that it can be used as a product in a vape cartridge with a pen. The isomerized CBD->THC has a pronounced "synthetic" and SATIVA effect compared to a [[more natural, smooth, relaxed, mellow, plant flavored INDICA-vibe]] that which, I guess would be more naturally higher in CBD and other cannabinoids with mellow and sedating effects.

I will have to give it a shot and see what happens I guess. Crank out a batch under optimal conditions. Distill by short path. Make the vaping blend 2:1 THC:Vape solution. Then hopefully saturate with more CBD isolate to hopefully give the product a more "natural" effect. ? This make sense you think?

 

[mycelium]

In my opinion, not only do you not want to add any CBD you want to distill it so you get rid of anything that's not THC. CBD will somewhat cancel out THC, to an extent.
As far as the vape juice goes, believe it or not I've never made it for a tobacco style vaporizer. Only cartridges. But I believe that they smoke a whole lot more of the oil in a tobacco style vape, in which case it would be easier to make a potent product with less potent starting material since you would consume a lot more in each puff I believe. I never really got into the tobacco Vapes but I did see people consuming a lot of it...sorry if that didn't make sense...

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Na, no worries. I'll try to be a little more specific. That is what I have learned in talking with everybody from everywhere all this time. Some people are straight up idiots or full of shit and lying or whatever. The good lot of us though, we just can't fully understand each other. Even if is translated, or we are both native speakers from different regions, sometimes things are misinterpreted or things have dual meanings etc.

I understand what you are saying, and yes - we want to minimize as much of the active material as we can at the same time increasing its potency. So yes, we plan to do a short path on the isomerized CBD. Then whatever we get back we're gonna dilute with vape juice - not a strong concentration by any means, mostly just as flavor and to make them viscous enough to work the into cartridges for retail. So what I am saying is, after making vape solution by mixing distillate and vape juice - is to then saturate the vape juice with CBD isolate (or you could do it before you mixed it with the distillate) but the idea is to optimize/maximize potential for psychoactivity, speaking for myself, the products ability to help me relax and make me tired and hungry completes the high as an overall experience. If I am on day 3 smoking meth. I am turning to the weed when I start crashing cause I know I can finally break through and smoke and eat something and settle down a bit. It is exactly the CBDs I want, but it doesn't do much without the THC either, like Rick Simpson says. Like I say, I am trying to get as close to a good strong indica strain as I can.