Question Ways to reduce Sodium Nitrate to Nitrite

[lavasphalt]

I've been doing some theory on the possibility of amphetamine synthesis in specific EU regions as a layman recently trying to avoid illegal reagents.
Which, in this case would be sulphuric acid, which can be purchased at lower percentages but get concentrated,
mercury(ii)nitrate which can be made from a seperate distillation including the sulphuric acid from before and mercury which is easy to get by.

Now the only culprit is nitroethane for the P2NP which this individual could possibly get everything for except sodium nitrite.
Meanwhile nitrate is openly available and I've looked up various ways of reductions to nitrite. However none of them seem very clear or consistent and the final purities seem subpar, nor am I even sure if a high purity is even needed.

I'm wondering if anyone has experience on this specifically? I want to mention again, that this is all still theory for me and in no ways close to any preparation, there might very likely be other flaws in my understanding still, I suppose I'd like to make sense of everything in terms of legal availability and procedure. So far I got the most information from here, so I'm already grateful, though I'm running a bit into a dead end here.

 

[Jack]

This is childish, time is most valuable, you need to start as close as possible to finished product, or produce something with chemicals that are easier to get, reducing nitrate is a waste of time.

 

[Fenster]

Is Nitrite available in low concentrations from curing salts?

 

[lavasphalt]

Yes, but the highest amount is 1% with the rest being kitchen salt.

 

[Fenster]

1% that's rough!

There are a few reactions, heat and lead (yuck).

I've also heard that heat and sulfur will work. Either way they are messy reactions.

There is another OTC route to amphetamine that doesn't go through p2NP. Have you looked into routes via p2p?

 

[Fenster]

Can you get Potassium Nitrite?

 

[lavasphalt]

Neither is a possibility sadly. As for P2P, from my little research I've figured that it's a lot more regulated than P2NP actually is, so while you could technically import P2NP from Poland, there's no guarantees you won't get a visit.

Since yesterday I have actually found one vendor that does sell Nitroethane inside the country after all and he doesn't seem to ask to fill out an EUS, which is a bit weird. Since he does ask for it for the Acetone they're also offering. Makes you wonder if it's really Nitromethane actually but that's unlikely, since the price is hefty enough as it is, at around 65E for 100ml.

With that being said, apart from the Nitroethane from a different store, the other reagents are, in fact, openly available on Amazon ironically. With some just needing concentration and 2 relatively easy separate reactions for the mercury salts. But how smart would it be to order it all from Amazon and would ordering few things at separate times help at all?

 

[Fenster]

I don't think it's good practice. Much better to have different platforms and places to get reactants. That being said, small personal amounts are generally okay.

 

[yin-yang]

well, if you feel like you are doing a lot of work, let me tell you what I went through...

Started with ammonia nitrate. Best way to reduce nitrate is to mix 3:2 moles of NaNO3 and NaOH, Respectively. Heat the mixture until it melts (aluminum pan works great). Prepare 1 mole of elemental sulfur and add in potions with occasional stirring, be careful the fire will start upon addition. Once all the sulfur has been added wait for the to cool. Add water and dissolve everything and evaporate. Na2SO4 will participate out first. Filter, recrystallize and you got pure NaNO2.

 

[Fenster]

It's a daunting process but YouTube will reveal a couple of vids of this process. I suggest watching them so you know what to expect.

 

[yin-yang]

Most def. For my first synth I made everything otc. Including benzaldhyde. Took me months. Best way is to buy ready made chems. Of course you should be careful but with the right opsec you can get anything "safely" and even save money.

 

[Jack]

I wouldn't do anything I couldn't scale up, in for a penny in for a pound.

 

[Fenster]

Not everyone wants to push kilos

 

[Fenster]

Benzaldehyde is easy.