4′-Methylpropiophenone bromination to 2-bromo-4'-methylpropiophenone. Large scale.

WillD

Expert
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,054
Points
93
Reaction scheme:
QmU05KGcDH

Reagents:
  • 4′-Methylpropiophenone (cas 5337-93-9) 1000 g;​
  • Hydrobromic acid 48% aq. 1300 g;​
  • Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) 35% 750 g;​
  • Sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3);​
  • Distilled water;​
Equipment and glassware:
HzO1gsfG3M

  • Three necked round bottom flask 5 L;
  • Retort stand and clamp for securing apparatus;
  • Reflux condenser;
  • Funnel;
  • Drip funnel 1 L;
  • Top stirrer;
  • Sieve filter (kitchen grade is ok);
  • Water bath;
  • Heating plate;
  • Syringe or Pasteur pipette;
  • pH indicator papers;
  • Beakers (600 mL x2, 2 L, 1 L, 100 mL x2);
  • Vacuum source;
  • Laboratory scale (0.1-1000 g is suitable);
  • Measuring cylinders 1000 mL and 100 mL;
  • Glass rod and spatula;
  • Laboratory grade thermometer;
  • Buchner flask and funnel;
  • Filter paper;
Introduction
Bromination reaction is easily scaled under these conditions. Basic rule: hydrogen peroxide is added slowly in order to avoid the reaction mixture splashing. It is better to use a top stirrer because a magnetic stirrer doesn't cope with the sediment. Blades of stirrer must be covered with ftoroplast (Teflon) in order to avoid reactions with hydrobromic (HBr) acid.​
Synthesis:
1. 4'-Methylpropiophenone 1000 g is added into a flask.
2. Hydrobromic (HBr) acid 1300 g 48% is poured into the flask and stirred for 5 min.
3. Hydrogen peroxide 750 g 35% is added into a drip funnel 1 l.
4. Hydrogen peroxide is added dropwise to the stirred reaction mixture.
5. Bromine is released during hydrogen peroxide addition to the mixture, dissolved in solution and reacted.
6. Hydrogen peroxide must be added at an appropriate rate so that the reaction mixture becomes colorless.
7. Reaction mixture temperature have to be kept less than 65 °C. An external cooling is applied in case of overheating. If reaction temperature is higher, hydrogen peroxide addition is stopped.
8. The second part of discoloration reaction can be conducted for longer time. Hydrogen peroxide is added according with reaction temperature.
9. Reaction mixture is left for a 12 h with a constant stirring at room temperature as soon as all hydrogen peroxide is added.
10. After 12 h precipitate is formed.
11. Sodium bicarbonate aq solution is added to the reaction mixture to reach neutral pH 6-7, stir it well. The mixture with 2-bromo-4'-methylpropiophenone is filtered through a Buchner funnel. Product is washed with small amount of distilled water.
12. Crude 2-bromo-4'-methylpropiophenone (cas 1451-82-7) is used for further reactions. Theoretical yield up to 1530 g. Practice yield is almost quantitative (video yield 94%).​
 
Last edited by a moderator:

dk77

Don't buy from me
Member
Language
🇺🇸
Joined
Feb 27, 2022
Messages
7
Reaction score
0
Points
1
Another hydrobromic acid synthesized by Hans-Dietrich is 780ML, here 1300 hydrobromic acid. What is the difference between oxidizing liquid 136ML and 750ML?
 

WillD

Expert
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,054
Points
93
1300 g (or 1L) aq. HBr 48% - 1,2eq for 4-methylpropiophenone
 
Last edited by a moderator:

dk77

Don't buy from me
Member
Language
🇺🇸
Joined
Feb 27, 2022
Messages
7
Reaction score
0
Points
1
Sorry, when the hydrogen oxide reaches 500 grams it turns red instead of changing color, then a deeper red when added. Need to finish adding?
 
Last edited:

WillD

Expert
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,054
Points
93
Continue stirring until discoloration. If no discoloration occurs, stop the reaction. The proportions given are those with an excess of hydrobromic acid and peroxide, but they may be reduced (1,1KG HBr48% and 0,65KG H2O2)
 

dk77

Don't buy from me
Member
Language
🇺🇸
Joined
Feb 27, 2022
Messages
7
Reaction score
0
Points
1
Since English is not my native language, I may not express well. I mean, when it starts dripping, it changes color and then becomes transparent, but after the critical point it becomes opaque and the whole thing turns red. Is it time to stop? Is it bad to add too much hydrogen peroxide? I stop when he turns red and can't change color because I don't know when to stop, then once the temperature drops, crystals form. I don't know if this is 2-bromo-4-methylpropiophenone. I will add pictures later. thank you for your help.
 
Last edited:

WillD

Expert
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,054
Points
93
Not always, maybe you need more time, oriented on the proportion above
No problems, anything, excess will not hurt
These crystals - 2-bromo-4-methylpropiophenone
 

hlebsladky2

Don't buy from me
New Member
Joined
Apr 10, 2022
Messages
12
Reaction score
3
Points
3
What does a crude bk4 look like? Btw, to do methylamination should I wait to the whole substance to become crystal or I can skip waiting for a night?
 

WillD

Expert
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,054
Points
93
Wait for the crystallization of the substance. Raw and washed looks the same as dry, only wet
 

hlebsladky2

Don't buy from me
New Member
Joined
Apr 10, 2022
Messages
12
Reaction score
3
Points
3
Hey! How much should I add of a saturated soda aqueous solution? Thanks.
 

WillD

Expert
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,054
Points
93
We look when the reaction has ceased to discolor. After this and crystallization of the product, we can add dry soda. Add while stirring in small portions until the red color disappears and the reaction stops bubbling.
 

hlebsladky2

Don't buy from me
New Member
Joined
Apr 10, 2022
Messages
12
Reaction score
3
Points
3
Thanks! As for the distilled water to add, should it be equal to the reagent volume?
 

WillD

Expert
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,054
Points
93
It does not matter, you can add water to the entire volume of the flask, but at least one equivalent of the volume of the reaction mixture
 

ZhengJi

Don't buy from me
Member
Joined
May 15, 2022
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Points
1
Which solvent is best for recrystallization 2-bromo-4'-methylpropiophenone? I have tried this method but my 2b4mpp is a little bit dirty - white instead of colorless cristal.
 

dk77

Don't buy from me
Member
Language
🇺🇸
Joined
Feb 27, 2022
Messages
7
Reaction score
0
Points
1
Post a photo and I'll see if it's the right product
 

dk77

Don't buy from me
Member
Language
🇺🇸
Joined
Feb 27, 2022
Messages
7
Reaction score
0
Points
1
Have you ever bought or produced a transparent and colorless product?
 

WillD

Expert
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,054
Points
93
White color is good for this, it should not be transparent (although large crystals grow under some conditions)
 

ADATA

Don't buy from me
Resident
Joined
Jun 6, 2022
Messages
21
Reaction score
7
Points
3
7. Reaction mixture temperature have to be maintained higher 75 °C but less than boiling temperature

It seems to have to be lower than 75C before
So it is correct to be higher than 75C?
 

ADATA

Don't buy from me
Resident
Joined
Jun 6, 2022
Messages
21
Reaction score
7
Points
3
Can anyone answer me whether it is correct to say that it is above 75 degrees C and below the boiling point?
The previous data was 65 degrees C
 

ADATA

Don't buy from me
Resident
Joined
Jun 6, 2022
Messages
21
Reaction score
7
Points
3
Synthesis of mephedrone (4-MMC) from haloketones in ethyl acetate. 1-10 kg scale.

The temperature mentioned here is not to exceed 65 degrees
I'm confused
 
Top